Let Go Of The Fear Of Fitting In with Reverend Jesse Brune-Horan

Let Go Of The Fear Of Fitting In with Reverend Jesse Brune-Horan

For the last Podcast episode of 2019, I had the pleasure of interviewing Reverend Jesse Brune-Horan.

Jesse is the founder of Active Love Ministries, a new non-profit organization offering training and licensing programs for emerging spiritual leaders, teachers, and activists, as well as the co-founder of Inspire Spiritual Community, a Los Angeles based Independent New Thought organization serving the LGBTQ+ community & allies.

Tune in to learn more about the power of letting go of the fear of fitting in, leading your life from the heart, and designing a life that matches your soul.

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The Sacred Healing Dance of Creativity with Emiliano Campobello

The Sacred Healing Dance of Creativity with Emiliano Campobello

In this episode, Ragan invites Emiliano Campobello to discuss how creativity can help us on our healing journey, and how expressing ourselves through art can bring many benefits into our lives.

Emiliano is a universal man who expresses himself and shares his gifts to the world as an artist, musician, health professional, and activist.

Tune in to learn more about the Sacred healing dance of creativity, and stay until the end to listen to the beautiful melody of Emiliano’s indigenous flute!

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Move Your Body and Move Your Energy with Yemaya Renuka

Move Your Body and Move Your Energy with Yemaya Renuka

In this Podcast episode, Ragan and Yemaya Renuka talk about the relationship we have with our body, the benefits of knowing and taking care of it, and the connection between body, mind, and spirit.

Yemaya is a transformational mentor and intuitive kinesthetic empath with over 25 years of practice and expertise in the healing arts, somatic therapy, trauma release work, eastern and western spirituality, community development, and the performing arts.

Learn more about Yemaya Renuka and the amazing work she does at her website: The Embrace

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Lead in Your True Divine Essence with Christina Kramer

Lead in Your True Divine Essence with Christina Kramer

On this month’s episode of From My Heart To Yours with Ragan Thomson, we invited guest Christina Maria Kramer to discuss this months topic of how to lead in your true divine essence.

Christina is a highly acclaimed spiritual counselor and healer, as well as a Divine Channel from Mother Mary. Learn more about here at here website here: Christina Maria Kramer

Tune in to listen to this inspiring conversation between Ragan Thomson and Christina Kramer about the benefits of finding who you truly are, and leading in your True Divine Essence.

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The Voice of the Real You with Dale Halaway

The Voice of the Real You with Dale Halaway

My mentor and close friend Dale Halaway returns to share our experiences and talk about the voice of the real you, and how important it is to become self-expressive and let your voice be heard.

Dale is the founder and director of the Dale Halaway International and Sage Teachings That Inspire.

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Below is an edited transcript for all of our bibliophiles and hearing impaired community members. We hope you enjoy!

RAGAN: Hello everyone, this is Ragan Thomson. Today, we are going to explore the topic of the voice of the real you. We are going to take a deep dive into this topic with our guest Dale Halaway, my mentor, close friend, and founder and director of Dale Halaway International and Sage Teachings That Inspire. But before we begin, let’s start with some questions for our listeners.

RAGAN: Have you ever felt like your voice was not your own? Where did you pick up the wounding that caused your voice to shut down? How important is it to become self-expressive and let your voice be heard? Did you know that when you reawaken your throat chakra, you reawaken to an entirely new life full of healthy communication, most importantly, with you? 

RAGAN: My guest today is founder and director of Dale Halaway International and Sage Teachings That Inspire. Dale has been influencing the lives and careers of thousands for almost 40 years. That is amazing. He is one of the world’s leading authorities on personal and business transformation, entrepreneurial success, and real leadership development. He has been in my life for many years. I’m losing track now, I don’t really know, I think we are coming up on a decade together in this life. I have attended many seminars with him over the years, I think I’ve reached around over 40 seminars, all of them being extremely powerful, life-changing, very beneficial seminars that have truly shaped my life in much more profound ways than I ever expected.

RAGAN: It’s helped me in my business, with money, with relationships, my relationship with my children, finding soul family members, really just starting to know myself better more and more over the years because of the seminars, because of what we do, which is intensives together. I do personal coaching with Dale. He really has been just a very, very important person in my life. I know he has been this for too many, many others on the planet, thousands of people now. He is just has a heart of gold. Recently I said he had a heart of … a pure platinum heart. That is absolutely true. I don’t know another human being on this planet that cares more about this planet than he does.

RAGAN: Well, it’s so good to have you, Dale, so happy that you’re here with us today. It’s such a pleasure to be with you. Thank you so much

DALE: Oh my gosh. I am very happy to be here with you, and indeed it’s a pleasure once again, the honor is mine.

RAGAN: Well, let’s launch into the topic together.

DALE: Sounds good, let’s do this.

RAGAN: Okay, great. We’re talking today about the voice of the real you. Actually, recently I just came up with the topic, and it’s a topic like I was saying earlier, that has been very meaningful in my life to truly start to find my throat chakra opening again when it was very shut down in this life. I know it’s still on its way just to stay open all the time. This is a very big deal. I think people don’t realize the work around the chakras. I know you do a lot of education around the chakras, and I’d like to explore that with you today a little bit. And just for the listeners right now, to explain a little bit more about what I’m talking about, the story of when I once had my throat chakra open, communication that came in was very open as well. I was very vibrant. I came in, I’m very awake, very joyful. In fact, probably for some people around me, it was a little bit too much.

RAGAN: For many people I know on the planet, they’re dealing with that right now. They come into an environment or they come into a family where maybe their voice is too much and then they start to shut it down. That’s just a simple way of saying it. I know that happened to me. There was a lot of vibrancy and almost what was considered hyperactivity in accordance with my family. As they saw this child that really had so much to say all the time with such sensitivity and emotionality, it started to seem in some way to them may be annoying or what do I do with this child? And I know there are probably many other listeners right now that might resonate with this.

RAGAN: In reference to my story, there was this, again, being very open, very bright, very awake, great communication, healthy communication, I thought that I was doing with others. Then as time went by more and more, I began to see that my throat chakra just began to close. And then I think it was around age probably, I think it was around age 16, 17 years old. It took about 17 years to officially close, where I literally could feel this moment where I was attempting to speak to certain people in my life, especially my father at the time, and I literally could not get the words out. I was trying to speak very quickly, I could feel my throat was itchy, it was burning. I literally had learned to stifle my voice to survive in that environment. That being said, I know you have your own story of your past around your voice and your throat chakra. I’d like you to share it when you’re ready as well and respond.

DALE: Yeah. Well, this is something that happens with most people. In fact, to be quite specific here now, on average, most people start to shut down around the age of five, or at least that’s the way it’s been up until now. Somewhere around the age of five, six, seven years of age, something happens in our life with our upbringing or around our upbringing that traumatizes us, impacts us like a Muck-Truck coming down the highway. It just nails us on an exterior level to the point where we get really scared or we become very confused or we start to feel really lost around something’s not right here. But when we’re five years old or seven years old, our brain hasn’t fully developed yet, so no matter how hard we try, whatever this experience is that we just had, we’ll never be able to make it compute for us at the age of five.

DALE: And so therein lies part of the where this journey begins of this shutdown mode. So we can shut down somewhere around that age, perhaps not fully as you just shared in your story, meaning something happens around that age and then it takes another 10 years or so with a few more experiences that accumulate during that period of time where, by the time we reach the age of 16 or 17, then now it’s really shut down. Of course, today we’re talking about the voice, but there are other parts of us also that we can also shut down.

DALE: This is going to be something that’s very unique to individuals. So, for example, you and I where we’re out in the world coaching, and we’re out in the world teaching, and we’re broadcasting, we’re using our voice so to speak professionally right now to serve. So most of us in that category have had some kind of experience. I won’t say everybody, but a lot of us have earlier on in life where something happened where we started to shut down our voice. Other people, that’s not their calling. They’re not to be teachers, they’re not coaches, they’re not using their voice to broadcast on a more professional, collective level in the way that we’re doing it, and so, therefore, their experience around that shutdown experience early in life is going to be a little different to them. I always like to say that so that those who maybe didn’t completely shut down their voice, we don’t lose them, that they’re able to connect too that perhaps they had a different experience than say, we did, around our voice.

DALE: But even with that, the voice is the effect. It’s never the cause. So when we look at, you referred to it as the throat chakra which in Sanskrit script, that’s how it’s referred to. In modern times, I’ve morphed, or not I, but I use a different languaging as a way to help more people better understand this. I refer to them now as the energy centers. So we have an energy center that’s very specific around our throat, but we also have an energy center that’s very specific just above our eyes at the center of our forehead. We have another energy center right around the center of our chest. We have another one that sits in the center of our solar plexus. We have another one just below that, and we have another one below that, we even have another one below that. We also have others that are even above those that I just mentioned.

DALE: Then we have secondary ones, so this can get pretty deep rather quickly if we wanted to go there. I mean, we would need more time to really do this justice. But what that means is that the throat energy center, the throat chakra is … many times the cause of what actually causes it to shut down is found in another energy center. And usually, it’s in one of the lower three. It’s in the lower part of the body, is where this actually gets housed or resides. In other words, when the impact happened, it happened in a way that affected us in that part of our system, energy system. And then of course, usually they go unchecked. In other words, nobody’s paying attention because part of whoever contributed to this shutdown mode also is shut down. 

DALE: So it’s also important to recognize that our parents too were shut down because they too had a childhood. And somewhere in their childhood, the odds are, they also got shut down. For example, their throat energy center could be shut down, which also means that another energy center that makes up their entire system of energy is also shut down. And more than likely, it’s that center that got impacted. And then whenever that happened, it went unchecked, because again, when it’s a child and a parent, or a child and a sibling as in older sibling, or an aunt and uncle, or just somebody that’s older, usually what that means is, that somebody has already been shut down, therefore they’re numbed down from this or unconscious towards this, so they’re not even aware at that point of the effect that they’re having on their seven-year-old son by doing whatever it is they just did, whatever that is.

DALE: Again, in all fairness to them, something probably happened, maybe even if it’s like to them at the age of seven. But again, it goes unchecked, it gets forgotten about, it’s buried somewhere within the consciousness, more specifically speaking, the subconscious, and then it sits there. And then as it sits there, it starts to accumulate more of it’s like energy to itself the longer it sits. So now, the person reaches the age of 17 and now something very specific happens around, in this case, let’s say the voice, or the throat, that literally cause the shutdown.

DALE: So in my case, what happens is … It didn’t happen at 17 for me, it happened at 12. I was literally on a radio show, somewhat similar to this. Now, I wasn’t speaking the way I’m speaking today, of course, I was only 12 years of age. The reason why I was on the radio show is because I lost my dog. And I was with my family, we were in another city visiting extended family, and my dog went missing. And so I got on radio shows and started putting out the broadcast. What my dog looked like, and I’m 12 years old, I’ve got a family, I’ve got siblings, and everybody’s really sad. If there’s anything you can do, we’ve got a little bit of a reward. And unique enough, we found the dog.

DALE: But in that process, the person that was one of the broadcasters who was doing the interview, he decided to mock me, and he got really ugly on air. He ended up putting me down, and criticizing me, and making fun of me, again, I’m 12 years old. Now, of course, what he doesn’t know at the time was that I had already been impacted. Another one of my energy centers had been impacted more than once earlier on in life. So that was all sitting there, all had gone unchecked until this moment in time at the age of 12, where I’m on a mission to find my dog sincerely but it happens to be with a real jerk of a kind of a guy that has very little awareness, very little consciousness of the effect his words are about to have in this case on me.

DALE: And so when he goes there … Now, I’m using the voice, right? I’m using the voice. I’m specifically using my voice. I’m using my energy center, my throat energy center that is, as a way to find my dog. I’m on a mission. This is my purpose now, and now I’m being made fun of on-air. Well, this hits me like a brick wall. I take this very, very hard. I cry on air, I get really upset and I freeze to the point of where I cannot get a word out of my mouth. On that very day, I started to stutter. My stuttering grew into a speech impediment. By the time I turned 17, I was diagnosed with a serious speech impediment. And yet at the age of 11, there was no trace of me having a stuttering problem at all. It only started at the age of 12 during this experience in the studio when I was on this mission to find my dog.

DALE: Now, some would say, like my mother when she was alive, that that’s what caused my stuttering. So for the longest time, we thought that’s what caused my stuttering. So for years, because I struggled with this all the way until my 29th year. And I was out on the stage speaking, I started speaking, I started doing seminars at the age of 19. So I’m in front of hundreds of people during my 20s many times. I had my own television show back during those years. And here I was, this stuttering, what I appeared to be, or what I thought I was a fool, a stuttering fool. I mean, how would anybody listen to somebody for even an hour that stutters a dozen times in the course of that hour. That never computed to me during those years.

DALE: And so for the longest time, I was attempting to solve something, resolve something, heal something, dealing with it based on this storyline that my stuttering started at the age of 12 in this radio studio while I was on this mission to find my dog. And nothing could be further from the truth. What that was, that was an effect that showed up in my throat energy center. What was causing it or what had already caused it had impacted me in one of my lower energy centers. That’s why it took me to the age of 29. It took me a long time, and I was focused because it was so embarrassing. I mean, if you can imagine, getting up on stage and 200 people sitting out in your audience and they’re waiting for you to start speaking, and there you are in the first couple of minutes and you get tongue-tied. Then you take them on a little journey for sometimes three minutes, you can’t get one word out.

DALE: It was incredibly embarrassing, humiliating. And yet, I kept on doing it, which was, sometimes I thought I was going crazy. Well, like, why would anybody do this? But obviously, at some point, I made the connection. No, I needed to do just that, because every time I did that, I became even more motivated to resolve this. I became more motivated to heal this. And eventually, I did. But it was because I recognized what I’m sharing here on our podcast together, is that this was the effect, this was not what was causing it. That radio show that day did not cause that, it triggered it. It was like sitting there all along just waiting to be triggered, meaning it was sitting down in one of my lower three energy centers.

DALE: But then when I found it and I got to the cause, what was so interesting, I healed it within six months. But now is in the right area. I was in the right part of my energy system, I was where it was at the causal level. That’s what I was working with. And once I went there and started working with that, it was only months away and cleared it up. Then I had all kinds of people coming to like, “How did you do that?” Because I didn’t go to a doctor, I didn’t go to anybody. Because back in those days, quite frankly, nobody really understood it. They didn’t know where to go, so I was on my own in those days to, if I’m going to figure this out, it needed to be in the way that I did or otherwise, I would have gone on stuttering probably into my 30s and maybe even into my 40s. Or who knows, maybe I would’ve done something stupid to myself like some people do just because it’s so embarrassing.

DALE: This is one thing you can’t hide. How do you hide a stuttering problem? You can hide a drinking problem, you can hide a sex problem, you can hide a gambling problem, I suppose for at least a while, but how the heck do y’all hide a stuttering problem? Every time you open up your lips, it gives itself away. So anyhow, that was one of my stories from back in the earlier part of this life.

RAGAN: I remember you telling me the story before, I hadn’t heard all those details. I remember feeling that what was so cool about your story was that you ended up having this phenomenal experience in those speaking engagements where people … you’re meanwhile judging yourself maybe as this fool, and then later hearing from the various many audience members that thought you were a phenomenal speaker, and that you work through it. I think that’s something powerful to be speaking about and noting right now for our listeners is that you really stepped into your fear.

DALE: Yes.

RAGAN: I’m guessing, I’ll let you answer this next, that the causal center, the energy center that caused the stuttering to begin, the true trauma was also fear-related.

DALE: Yes. Oh, big time. The way this trauma, this cause went in, I mean, I was not only traumatized, but I was also terrorized in terms of some of the experiences I had when I was younger. And so, yes, that’s where it was, and that’s where it got trapped, and that’s where it sat for the longest time. Then as I said, went unchecked for the longest time, and quite frankly, nobody would even want to go there because it was an area it would be really scary to go to. And even myself, even when I started tapping into it, I had moments where I was scared of what I was ultimately dealing with when I was working with it at a causal level.

DALE: But from the speaking side, the speaking side became my blessing, it became my grace. Because as you’ve heard before, yes, I was hard on myself, there’s no doubt about it. But that was one of my issues, that was one of my lower energy patterns. I could get really hard on myself, like over the top hard on myself. And clearly, this was a grounds for me to really get hard on myself because, again, I could never compute. How would they sit there and listen? But then again, the experiences that I had, I couldn’t compute them either earlier on in life. Just like somebody who’s five, six, seven, eight years of age, when these types of things occur, it’s impossible for that boy, or that girl to compute, to break this down, to make sense of it.

DALE: So that’s one of the reasons why it goes into suppression, why we bury it because we don’t know how to break it down. Our brain is not developed enough, and the people around us, for the most part, they either don’t even know what’s going on, or if they do, they have no idea how to break it down either because it possibly brings something up for them of a more scarier nature, so to speak.

DALE: But during those years it was very, I suppose, interesting because I did get incredible feedback. Just people were so beautiful with me and so supportive and would come back again and again. Then at the end, they would do standing ovations. And people sometimes would line up just waiting to say hello to me or thank me. Again, none of it computed. But when I got to the point where this was all resolved, I’m so glad it happened the way it happened because it left me with so many incredible memories, real memory. Not the type of stuff you read out of a book, it’s the type of memories that also get planted in your system. These are real memories. They were positive memories, they were victorious memories, they were memories of people, lives were being touched, and they were being helped, and they were inspired, and it caused them to go and do things in their own lives they were standing up to that they used to be afraid of.

DALE: I didn’t realize of course at the time, but they thought it was just so freaking brave for this guy to get up on the stage and be in front of hundreds of … not just once, but sometimes I’d do it like three times a week. This went on for years. I learned later that the audiences were just … that in itself was inspiring. That caused them to start to do things in their own world, like, “Wow, if he can do that, my gosh. And I’m thinking my problem’s so big. I take my problem and I compare it to his and my problem all of a sudden became small. So if he can do what he’s doing, what’s my issue? Time to pull up my bootstraps and let’s stand up to whatever I need to stand up to and start to face that stuff so I can get on with my life as well.” Because ultimately, come to the end of the day, that’s what it’s all about Ragan. As you know, it’s about really moving forward in our lives, moving onward and upward, expanding ourselves, connecting with our soul, our true self.

RAGAN: Which is one of the greatest ways, if not the greatest way to find our voice again.

DALE: Wow.

RAGAN: Isn’t it? To actually take the action steps of moving forward. It’s one thing to talk about it and say, “Oh I want to do that. Or I saw that in a book, and I’m watching a movie.” And to actually say, “You know what? No, I’m going to try that. I’m going to do that. I’m going to step into my life.” So to our listeners to really, again, accentuate how to begin to awaken your voice and through your story, I’m just hearing so much, so I just want to speak about a couple of things I heard, which is, first off, I know if to reawaken my own voice, was to start to confront my father. Just start having conversations with him that were difficult and challenging because I knew that if I was to say something where there was any vulnerability because that was his thing. If there was vulnerability and there was a button, he’d push. Then I’d feel more vulnerable, and I’d get weaker, and I’d cower down. This is all before I even left the home go to college at age 18.

RAGAN: So I started to really learn that if I’m going to heal this, I need to start being brave and have conversations with him that are challenging and speak up for myself. And that’s of course, well, now I’m starting to learn about myself and my voice through singing, through acting. Really getting into performance, starting to really express myself, to really be angry, be sad, to have these emotional experiences on stage that really let me use my voice. So getting into some of the strategies for our listeners of how to reawaken the voice. Stepping into your fears, getting into your life. What is it that you’re afraid of? Actually embracing it and walking forward towards the fear versus running from it.

RAGAN: I mean, clearly, I’d terrified too to be on stage with a stutter in front of hundreds of people. This is an amazing story. I mean, you healed your stutter in six months. To me, that is so incredible and hopefully extremely inspiring to those who are listening because anyone and everyone according to your story can heal their voice. And the strategies, like I was saying, of the singing, acting, doing endeavors or entering into experiences in life where you’re actually using your voice. You’re being challenged even though you’re afraid. Public speaking, going to, I think there’s something called Toastmasters, really challenging yourself in front of people even in just a small capacity.

RAGAN: I recently had a client, well, not recently, I’ve actually been working with her for a few years. And where she was at the beginning of our time together and where she’s at now with her voice is like night and day. I mean, she used to speak like a little mouth, “Hi, it’s so nice to be here with you.” And now it’s like, “Hi, my name is.” And with confidence and strength. And for us, the journey to get there had a lot to do like you’re saying, with these energy centers. I mean, the amount of fear and trauma that she experienced in her childhood, as I did, as you did, this is extremely common, we’re just now coming into more conscious parenting.

RAGAN: It’s not uncommon at this point that many of the adults on the planet right now had parents that might have not been so conscious. And again, like you were saying earlier, no judgment upon our parents is what I’m just making really clear once again to the listeners. And it wasn’t always easy and we experienced whatever we experienced with our parents who possibly were not quite so conscious. What do I mean by they weren’t conscious? I mean, they weren’t aware of how they were treating us. They weren’t checking in with you day-to-day and saying, “Hey sweetie, how are you feeling today? You look sad, how can I help you?” I’m just making an example here.

RAGAN: Just really checking with the emotional life of their child, of me, of you. Getting to know the real you rather than maybe the you that they saw that they wanted you to be, or you should be, or maybe they really don’t have time for. So the real you got stifled, the real you got pushed down. At the same time, the real you got pushed down, so did your voice. And the power and the importance of our voice, just it’s extraordinary, it’s a gift. And the benefits, we can go in those together for a minute. I know that you get to be self-expressive. You get to … It’s like you, I don’t know the words I’m looking for. It’s like by you getting to express the real you, by you getting to express yourself, your truth comes through your words, your truth comes out through your voice.

RAGAN: Again, someone who can’t speak, not that they can’t speak their truth, maybe they can do it through sign language or whatever, as long as we have the ability to express, I think that’s in whatever way we can, our voice is also a channel through which we as a divine being get to express ourselves onto the planet with our gifts, our skills, our talents. I mean, literally, there’s that much weight on the voice. And so it was for me, if I had decided just to keep my voice shut down, I would never have found acting, I would have never found singing, I would have never found these creative outlets that became so important to me for many years in this life, that brought such joy in my life and happiness and still do. For you, I’m hearing from what you were saying, some of the benefits for you to have found your voice through being brave and speaking in front of people is you end up inspiring, sounds like thousands of people, so beautiful.

DALE: No doubt about it. Yeah, many people were inspired, and still to this day still inspiring people through the use of my voice. You said a couple of things there that I’d like to respond to. In my case, yes, once I started dealing with what was causing this stuttering, I was able to heal the stuttering in approximately six months or so. But that did not mean to say I was out of the woods just yet. What was happening with me is my voice was broken. And so in order for me to even start using my voice, I had to repair my voice first and foremost. And so now of course, back then I didn’t understand what I’m sharing with you right now. This is all been years of reflection back on this particular experience that I had with myself.

DALE: So I got to the point, by the time I turned 30, I was no longer stuttering. Or if I did stutter, it would be hit and miss, it was no longer a lifestyle for me. But I was not out of the woods yet. And even though, by the time I turned 30 I was considered to be one of the better speakers in the country. I could get on the stage in front of a thousand people and I could captivate their attention for hours on end, sometimes days on end, done it many a time. And so you would think that I had it all worked out, but I did not.

DALE: In fact, since then, I’ve worked with a lot of speakers who are also very good at speaking on the stage. But you know what Ragan? When it comes to entering into a tough conversation with somebody else, they suck at it. They freak out. Some of them feel like they’re going to have a heart attack and hadn’t even opened up their mouth yet. It’s just the idea that this is going to be a tough conversation or a scary conversation with another human being. This could be a conversation with one of their parents, it could be a conversation with their significant other, it could be a conversation with their best friend, it could be a conversation with one of their customers. And next thing you know, they feel like they’re having a panic attack. Just the thought of having that conversation. What is that? They have not yet learned how to use their voice properly.

DALE: So what I realized in this, what turned out to be a long process for me is I started off this life and shortly thereafter my voice got broken. So not only was I misusing my voice, my voice was broken. Not only had I shut down from my voice, my voice was broken. So first and foremost in my situation, that needed to get repaired. And it did. And then once that got repaired, then it was a few years later that I realized I’ve got some issues around speaking up for myself. Oh yeah, at this point, I’m in my early 30s. The speaking thing, at that point, I’d already done a thousand seminars. I mean, come on, if you ride a bicycle a thousand times, even if you suck at it at the beginning, I’ll bet by the time you get to the thousandth round, you’re probably going to be pretty good at riding that bike, right? Would you agree? Of course. Who would not? Absolutely.

DALE: Well, the same thing with speaking. Once you get up on the stage and you do it a hundred times over a period of a couple of years, somehow some way, you’re going to start to get good at it. But that doesn’t mean to say that you’re using your voice properly. Back at home, you could be misusing your voice. On the stage, you could be one way, and back at home, you could be a bear. You could be really aggressive with your voice. Or you could be like a mouse with your voice, and you don’t say anything better yet, you withhold information and you withhold information for weeks on end. Your mate, your partner, or your fan doesn’t even know you’re even doing this. They think they’re dialing into you, they know exactly what’s going on with you. They have no idea that you’re withholding information from them because you have a problem with using your voice properly in your day-to-day world, even though you can be on the stage speaking to a group of 100 people. See the difference?

DALE: I went through what turned out to be an intense process that went on for, quite frankly, I’m not going to even say how long because it went on for a long time for me. Now, eventually, I got to this place of where not only can I use my voice professionally when it comes to serving people, assisting people, which is really important to me, but I can also use my voice when it comes to how I’m choosing to live my life day-to-day. And not only can I use my voice when it comes to living my life day-to-day, I can use my voice now constructively, productively.

DALE: And as a result, I now get a very different result in my life because of the way I now use my voice versus the way I was using my voice, say in my 30s. I hadn’t worked this out yet. I had resolved my stuttering problem, yes, but I hadn’t worked out what I just shared, not even close. I didn’t even know this was even going on in my early 30s. It took me my 30s to start to uncover what was actually happening. I had been misusing my voice and I didn’t even know that’s what I was doing as a way to keep it shut down. Even though you got me on stage, you would think I was the best at using my voice. Yeah, on stage, but not in my day-to-day life. And it was only when I got to it in my day-to-day life and I resolved that I healed that full-on.

DALE: Then what it did, it took what I already knew how to do really well on stage, and it took it to a whole other level. And now, to this day, I get constant comments, and compliments, and acknowledgments from people as you know about how it is that I impact their lives. Of course, I’m always using my voice as you know. But that has more to do with, I started utilizing my voice correctly, which meant I had to go head to head with my issues that I had trapped within my energy center where my voice was being used incorrectly.

DALE: And because our throat center is directly connected to our power center, so if we’re using our voice incorrectly, what that means is we’re misusing our power. And when we misuse our power, what that really means is, we create consequences for ourselves, also known as karma for ourselves. Now, we can be completely unaware of this, but karma doesn’t care. Karma could care less whether we’re aware of creating karma or not. It’s completely impersonal.

DALE: So in my life when I was really aware of this, there I am out in the world. Yeah, I’m speaking on the stage. I’m doing a great job, standing ovation after standing ovation. Awesome. People are loving it. They’re getting great value out of it because obviously, they’re learning something about themselves when I’m teaching, but it looks like I’ve got this thing all worked out. It turned out I didn’t have it all worked out. It turned out, it took me another 10 years to get it really all worked out. Actually, it took me a little longer than 10 years because in my case, I didn’t really have a teacher in my corner because when I was going through a lot of these years ago … In other words, I’m older than 30, I’m even older than 40 kinds of thing here. And so back in those years, you just didn’t have these types of teachers, or if you did, they were so underground. I mean, you had to really search for them and there was no internet. So the likelihood of you finding these type of teachers was not all that high.

DALE: So I ended up resolving my stuttering problem, I ended up having to uncover this on my own, or with the help of my guides and guardian angel, so it really wasn’t completely on my own. But nonetheless, I got to this place and then everything else just started to refine and it refined so beautifully because now what was happening, not only was I using my voice properly, but I was also now learning how to use my power correctly, which was now changing my karmic consequence. It was transforming my consequence into blessings now. So everything in my life was now changing for the better.

DALE: And of course now, this also becomes a source of inspiration for people that get really close to me because they see this going on, and sometimes it inspires them to want to go further along their own journey. Like, “Wow.” Again, just like back in the days when I was stuttering, “God, if he can do it, with what he’s got to work with, then the odds are I can do the exact same thing.” And so it still to this day, that’s why I say it still inspires people wherever they’re at along their journey to take the next step.

RAGAN: So what I’m hearing is there is this ability to find our voice, our real voice in a way that is coming from the truth of who we are, the light of who we are, and the love of who we are. This, the truth, our truth. And that takes time to figure out, it’s what I’m also hearing with what you’re saying. It’s not something you’d start a project you accomplish overnight.

DALE: Right.

RAGAN: And so just to our listeners to know that to do so, to discover your true voice and to discover the true you, the real you, I highly encourage getting a teacher, or getting a program, or finding a seminar, or finding a class, or a workshop, something that you feel connected to begin the journey of reawakening your voice and using your voice properly. I also was hearing may be what you and I both experienced and many other adults that now are attempting to do this, that maybe their families, or their parents, or whatever environment they were in had more of a controlling, manipulative, lower dense nature of the way they were communicated to. Just as an example what could have happened.

RAGAN: I know that was what I experienced, more of an authoritarian controlling voice, which I also began to take on and feel small because of all the different ways that we go with it. So for those out there, again, to our listeners that may have had that experience and they’re wondering, “What the heck is going on with my voice? Why do I act this way? Why am I having trouble in my relationships? Why do I feel that sometimes I just can’t communicate correctly?” I mean, my goodness, I remember my own marriage just really at some point just going, “Oh my gosh, am I able to communicate correctly? Why am I not feeling like I’m getting heard here?” Like really feeling like I was hitting a wall, and with your help and with my own inner work, really starting to see what that was about.

DALE: Yes.

RAGAN: Again, just really just hopefully helping our listeners know that there is a way to heal, and there is a way to heal your voice-

DALE: Sure there is.

RAGAN: And it can be done. And if we can do it and continue to do it, then they can do it as well.

DALE: Big time.

RAGAN: Yes. Okay. Thank you so much, Dale, for being here with me today. I’m so grateful. It’s been such a wonderful experience, and I’ve loved exploring this topic with you. So now, I would love for you to share with everyone if you have any upcoming offerings that you’d like to share about in the world. I know there’s a seminar coming up in Santa Barbara, so if you would please share with us all.

DALE: Sure. Well, yes, we always have a seminar coming up each and every month. If you go to dalehalaway.com and click on where it says live seminars, you’ll always get whatever the seminars are that are coming up over the next couple of months. The one that you just referred to that’s coming to Santa Barbara on September 7th and 8th, that weekend, will be a seminar titled Power of Achievement or what we call POA, and it’s a seminar that’s just … it’s a great seminar for anybody. Anybody that wants to become better at getting things done in life, anybody that wants to move the needle forward in their life and start moving in a direction where they get more fulfilled with what it is that they’re focused on, engaged in, this is the seminar for them.

DALE: Well, actually all the seminars we get great feedback on, but this one, in particular, it’s those people that just love to get things done. They love to achieve things, they love to accomplish things, and whenever they get an opportunity to tweak that dial, so to speak, to where they get better at it, they become more efficient at it, they become more effective at it. I mean, they just raise their hands and just say, “Sign me up, I want to go. If you can show me how to do this, just even increase the dial by 10%, I’m in.”

DALE: And as you know Ragan, the seminars are always a lot of fun. They’re very meaningful, they’re deep. It doesn’t matter what the topic is. This one is on the Power of Achievement, but if you stay in the know and check our website, or better yet, get on our list, sign up for our newsletter, we have all kinds of things we do for free, as in free resources, we’re always giving out to anybody that’s a part of our list that we email to on a regular basis, which then also keeps you in the know of the coming seminar or whatever that might be.

DALE: And if this is not the one that’s in resonance with you for whatever reason, then there’s a good chance the next one or the one after that will be. There’ll be one that all of a sudden just will speak to you in the most profound way and somehow, you’ll just know that’s the one that would be best for you to attend or participate in.

DALE: And lastly, if you get in early enough, we always have a really a generous discount. If you get in early enough for that particular seminar, so another reason to stay in the know. Go to daleholloway.com, get signed up for our newsletter or just go on and click the “Live Seminar” button and it’ll take you exactly where you need to go to learn more about whatever it is that might be coming up.

RAGAN: Wonderful. Thank you so much.

DALE: You are welcome so much.

RAGAN: I’ll be at that seminar.

DALE: Yes, front row.

RAGAN: Yeah, as usual. I really am looking forward to it.

DALE: Yeah. Well, and what’s it like for you when you’re in a seminar? If you can just encapsulate because you’ve been to so many of them as you said at the opening of today’s show. I mean what is it like to you?

RAGAN: It’s like being in a heavenly dome. I mean, the frequency there is such a high electric frequency that you bring and it really is, we call it the heavenly dome experience. And the energy in the room and having various people doing the work together, really going for it, going inward, you feel very supported, there’s a lot of compassion in the room. There’s a lot of just a lot of deep connection, raw or real connection with the people that are there, so that’s really spectacular.

RAGAN: I know that’s why I love teaching and doing events, getting live warm bodies in a room. I think that’s there’s a real lack of that on the planet, so the seminars really bring that back into our life. Having warm bodies that you can hug and look into each other’s eyes. Then your teachings of course, ancient, beautiful teachings that are practical, and grounded, and effective. You really are in a room and experience that is very unique, and I think that’s very rare, that’s what you bring on the planet. I know that every time I go, I’m just so excited to be in the room, I’m sad when it ends. I think it’s a minute is passed and it’s over. It goes so fast you’re like in a time warp. So just the frequency, just that high, beautiful, lovely frequency. I really do see it as heaven on earth within the experience of the seminar room. At least that’s what I think it would feel like, or what it should be like, and where we’re headed. Profound really.

DALE: Beautifully said.

RAGAN: Thank you. Love you.

DALE: Ditto.

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RAGAN: So thank you so much for joining me today with Dale. This was so wonderful to be with you here today and explore this wonderful topic, this beautiful topic. I feel my heart is feeling really open and warm, and I hope yours is too, and you learned something really extraordinary for yourself, or very helpful, or meaningful for yourself, hopefully, life-changing in some way. And so thank you, thank you so very much. Many blessings to you. I hope you have a wonderful rest of your day. Bye, Bye.


Spiritual Awakening and Conscious Living with Forrest Leichtberg

Spiritual Awakening and Conscious Living with Forrest Leichtberg

In this Podcast episode of  From My Heart To Yours, Forrest Leichtberg and Ragan Thomson share their personal awakening experience and discuss how we all have a choice to become more conscious and spiritual, and the way this decision can change our lives for the best.

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Ragan Thomson: Hello. Hello. Hello. My name is Ragan Thomson. Today we are going to explore the topic of the awakening experience. We are going to take a deep dive into this topic with our guests, Forrest Leichtberg, the founder of The Consciousness Network, a network designed to provide authentic ways to help connect people for the purpose of elevating their lives through health, business, and conscious relationships. Before we begin, let’s start with some questions for our listeners.

Ragan Thomson: What is spiritual awakening? How do you know when you are truly beginning to wake up? Is there very stages to the awakening process? What’s some of the symptoms of the awakening process? Is awakening a process that takes time, effort, and discipline? How worthy is it to fully awaken and what are some of the benefits of doing so?

Ragan Thomson: At the tender age of 17, Forrest, barely out of high school found himself fighting for his life in a surgical suite, and if he survived facing an arduous multi-year recovery process. Flash forward to 2018, and we find that 26-year-old Forrest not only survived, he is now living out his dream of giving back to the world and gave him a second chance.

Ragan Thomson: He found his purpose as a Santa Barbara-based entrepreneur running The Consciousness Network, a growing networking and event organization with a mission to help people share their knowledge and power and growth potential for the betterment of humanity.

Ragan Thomson: Thank you so much. This is so great to be with you, Forrest. Thank you so much, Forrest, for coming today for this podcast with me. I’m so happy to be here with you.

Forrest L.: I feel the same way. Thank you, Ragan.

Ragan Thomson: I was really looking forward to it.

Forrest L.: Mm-hmm (affirmative). Likewise.

Ragan Thomson: Forrest and I have been in each other’s lives for… I’m wondering how many-

Forrest L.: Gosh, three years,

Ragan Thomson: Three years now?

Forrest L.: Three or four years.

Ragan Thomson: Yeah, three or four years.

Forrest L.: Somewhere around that?

Ragan Thomson: Yeah. I’ve already… I love this topic because first off, my own experience with the awakening experience has been profound and I’ve known you for these years and I’ve watched you go through quite an experience of awakening. I think just even being in your life as your friend, and here we are in Santa Barbara doing our best to bring forth as much light as we can through the ways that we do, and bringing forth growth and the ability to get into whatever kind of workshops or get connected whatever people that they would like to have in their lives to help them move forward in their lives, in a conscious, more healthy way.

Ragan Thomson: I think we both have that in common. So this has been really fun to be a part of each other’s lives in this way, and just watch our own being changed through the experience, I think of bringing that… the work that we bring to the community. I’ve watched us both change and grow. It’s exciting for me to bring this topic, the awakening experience today to us.

Ragan Thomson: For me, I wanted to bring it forward because I think there’s so many people on the planet that are going through an awakening experience right now, more than ever before. Right? I think that before… I know for sure, before I’ve been doing this work for almost 20 years, and I still remember the first conscious company I started, I guess now it’s been about a decade ago and this company is called “In The Loving”.

Ragan Thomson: I remember the receptivity that was there was so much different than it is now. I think it’s a lot of fun as a teacher and a healer now to just be on the world sharing about this work because now there’s those out there saying, “Wow, I’ve heard about that,” or, “I’m a part of something like that,” or, “I want to be a part of something like that. What’s available?” There’s so much more available for their growth and evolution as a soul on this planet.

Ragan Thomson: That being said, we’re talking today about the awakening process. For me, watching myself wake up before was not as easy as it is now, is what I’m trying to say. Right? I remember when I was a child, there was so little understanding of who I was because there was this really bright light child that came into their environment and they were, I think just overstimulated in some way by me. I really think that I came in to rock the boat inside that family, and I sure did because I think that my energy and my really truly coming and so awake, and like I said, with just the high level of energy, was a little intense for everyone.

Ragan Thomson: There was like, “Wow, you’re so emotional, you’re so intense. You’re so sensitive. You have just way too much energy. We need to do something with this energy.” Therefore, I led into my career of sports, which led into what I would say going asleep again. Therefore, after that, moving into this kind of masculine environment, I began to fall asleep. Right? I think we all have our story in that regard. I want to hear a little bit more about your story of what you feel the awakening processes has been about for you in your life and your history. I just gave you a short glimpse of mine. I’m so curious about your story in regard to the topic.

Forrest L.: My story… Thank you for asking.

Ragan Thomson: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Forrest L.: My story, really my spiritual journey began about 10 years ago, maybe 11 years ago, and I was just a teenager and in high school, ninth or 10th grade. I found myself being fascinated with meditation and psychic phenomena, and different books by… There was a book called “Ishmael”. I forgot the author’s name, but people like Deepak Chopra and Marianne Williams, I used to read their books. It was fascinating to me.

Forrest L.: Then I found Eckhart Tolle. It was first… For the first time, my world opened up to these ideas. Then what happened is, I was struck with an illness and this illness was so painful for four to five years that I felt that it was either I was going to discover a way to navigate through that and come out the other end stronger than before and healed, or I just felt like I didn’t have a choice other than that.

Forrest L.: What I didn’t realize at the time that I was in so much pain, was the incredibly beautiful value that was contained in that experience. To me, the spiritual awakening process has a lot to do with the values that we awaken to. It seems like those values across all the major world’s spiritual traditions, you find some of the same values. Compassion, awareness, and growth, serve this community, these more spiritual values.

Forrest L.: I think that the awakening process, at least in my own worldview and the way that I’ve experienced it, has been the awakening to these values into the way that I conduct my life, into the way that I conduct my daily life. Am I being kind? Am I being compassionate? Am I being thoughtful? Am I growing in awareness? Am I pursuing my own personal growth? Am I keeping in mind, not just my own needs but extending my care and my love and care to those around me?

Forrest L.: To me, that experience of having that illness, what it did, was it forced me to face the reality of mortality at an age that most people in our culture don’t face or think about much. Facing mortality brought forth the questions of, “What’s really going to make my life most meaningful?” Because it’s like, “How long do I really have? How long does my family have? How long do the people I love really have?” The greatest awakening that I experienced in my life, at least one of them was rooted in that experience of facing mortality from this illness.

Forrest L.: Although one might look at an experience like that and say, “That’s so bad, that’s so horrible,” I don’t look at it like that anymore. It’s looking back in hindsight, hindsight 2020, I only see it as a gift. But see, I think each person has a choice to make, whether experiences like that and others, whether they’ll use that to fuel their own awakening, to fuel their own deepening process, or if they’re going to fall into a victim mindset and let it reduce their experience of life to something that doesn’t feel very joyful. I think we all face that choice. For me, becoming more conscious, becoming more spiritual, is about infusing our daily decision making and choice making with these values.

Ragan Thomson: Mm-hmm (affirmative). Powerful. What a courageous choice that you made to decide to move, is what I’m also hearing, right? You said there really wasn’t any other choice. Actually there was, as far as I can see, there was another choice, which was to probably be sick and possibly die.

Forrest L.: That was the other choice. I didn’t say it.

Ragan Thomson: I know you didn’t say it and I heard it. So it takes great courage and I have felt the same way at that young age of 15, when I was very sick as well and was sick with an eating disorder, right? That level of self-deprecation, self-abuse, self-persecution, self-doubt, which so many humans on this planet are dealing with can lead to whatever it leads with. That might happen to manifest into a very serious eating disorder with Anorexia and Bulimia. Other disorders exist, right? Other addictions exist, other habits exist that are unswerving. Let’s just put it in a mild positive way. Right?

Ragan Thomson: And they’re so prominent on the planet right now. I guess where I’m leading to is this, to our listeners, to let them know, just as you, just as I, decided one day to say, “I want to live,” I think that’s just is will, right, it’s the human will, and everyone has human will, everyone has that choice to make.

Ragan Thomson: When we talk about awakening, I think a lot of people are like, “What does that even mean? What does it mean to spiritually awaken?” Here we are giving our stories and I’d like to just dive in a little bit more of what that really means, right? What does… Because I really think there’s a lot of these terminology is being thrown around on the planet and some people really just don’t know what you’re talking about, right?

Ragan Thomson: We might be having listeners today that have experienced a high level awakening already, or are just getting started or haven’t even begun the process. In regards to spiritual awakening, what I saw is just like you’re explaining, it was this being who we truly are and knowing who we are and feeling that light this, that brightness, perhaps, that is who we are, right, God in the body. It’s amazing, right? Our true soul self, right?

Ragan Thomson: In that place we are unique, we’re divine, we’re an emanation of God, but there’s nothing lacking. Then you enter into this plane of existence on the human plane and you’re dealing with the environment, you’re dealing with stress, you’re dealing with people and their issues and their unresolved karma, and the media, and magazines, and TV, and whatever. Strife, challenges that you experience with other people. I believe those are on a spiritual path, typically have some higher level abilities and they may not even be aware of. One of them could be to be extremely sensitive and empathic.

Ragan Thomson: I don’t know about you, I just absorb my environment. It wasn’t just my own unresolved material I brought into this life that helped me fall asleep again, which I didn’t know how to work with because I didn’t have a teacher. That goes into one of our questions today, right? Like how do we wake up anyways? If we want to wake up, how do I do that? I’m so lost right now. I’m so stuck in my stuff. I think for… I don’t know, I didn’t get into this with you yet and I’ll ask this question next, but I believe every illness doesn’t just start at the illness. There’s something that happened before that brought you there. Right?

Ragan Thomson: When someone says, “Well, I have this addiction or I have this problem,” right, or, “I’m feeling really depressed,” or, “Now I’m on these antidepressants,” which is taking over the planet, there’s energetic issues within themselves that they were dealing with that maybe way before that disorder, that illness, before that addiction took hold.

Ragan Thomson: For me, there was just a lot of missed basic needs that were to be met as a child, right, just being heard, being seen, being listened to, being emotionally connected with, being understood. Very essential wonderful basic needs of a child. I certainly did not feel like I got all those met. There was… My parents did the best they could. So this is another very important note of this podcast today, is we are not judging our parents here. It’s just the truth is, there was just some missed marks, if you will.

Ragan Thomson: As a child being extremely empathic and sensitive, which most of the children I’m thinking of that have now become adults that are also struggling with an awakening process, most likely, were like us in some way. With that sensitivity and that emotional need for more than they got. Right? I think with that, that being met, I know my primary specialty right now is inner child work because so many adults are walking around with a trapped, traumatized child inside them that has never grown up.

Ragan Thomson: Therefore, there’s this kind of not understanding oneself, “Why am I still doing the same things? Why am I still acting the same way as I used to as a child? Here I am, wanting to move forward and be an adult and be strong and be wise, and thrive in my money, and thrive in my business, why do I look around and other people are doing that, but I’m struggling with this? What’s going on here?”

Ragan Thomson: There are flies that there could have been a time just like again, myself and yourself, that there was some sort of emotional trauma or build up of this energy that caused the kind of going to sleep again. Forgetting who we are, forgetting about our gifts, our skills, our amazingness, our uniqueness. And that I believe is what gets to come back our line as we wake up. Right? Here you’re talking about these beautiful values that you’ve started to step into and realize, what another incredible gift of waking up that we start to learn about our soul. We start to learn about our souls’ lessons, our souls’ values.

Ragan Thomson: These are some of the benefits, right, to waking up and which I don’t think we talk about that very much. And that how common it is for those to fall asleep in this planet because it’s not designed to keep us awake. As a parent, I have really been trying my very best. Number one, I said this just the other day to a teacher that I work with, a spiritual teacher, and I said, “My greatest goal is to keep my children awake.” That’s it.

Ragan Thomson: Literally, if they leave my house and go on to their next part of their journey, that if I could keep them awake, that would be the greatest gift I could give to my soul, to myself, to them. And that’s it.

Forrest L.: I think that’s an amazing gift that you’re giving your children. Certainly, I know so many of us would have loved to experience that kind of childhood and these values and being awake is a part of the arranging process. Thank you for doing your part in raising part of the next generation-

Ragan Thomson: Thank you.

Forrest L.: … to take the light that you’ve brought into the world in your own unique way and to pass it on to them.

Ragan Thomson: Thank you. It’s an undertaking and I’m doing my best.

Forrest L.: I commend you, although I do not know what that’s like quite yet.

Ragan Thomson: Thank you. Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Ragan Thomson: Yeah, and that being said, kind of reversing in that question, which is, do you feel like… What I’m attempting to do is help our listeners to connect with, were they awake? Did they fall asleep? Are they waking up again? Do they not ever fall asleep or have they just been awake the whole time? I don’t know. It’s individual, unique experience that we’re dealing with here.

Ragan Thomson: Do you feel like there was some energetics that were going on in your house or do you remember what might have led to the illness, anything emotional or that could have led to that illness?

Forrest L.: Well, I feel that one of my closest mentors for almost 10 years was a medical intuitive, and she was an attorney before she found her abilities as a medical intuitive. Her teachings and the fundamental core of her teachings are that, behind physical symptoms, she teaches about the messages behind your physical symptoms. That your physical symptoms have messages for you. For example, if you have some disorder happening, physical disorder happening, that chances are, for most people, it would be rooted in some kind of emotional, mental, energetic imbalance.

Forrest L.: Even in the eastern healing traditions, Chinese medicine, they view the beginning of illness as when it begins in this subtle body, they view the physical manifestation of that imbalance as a later stage in the manifestation of the imbalance. Let’s say you have something show up in your physical body. According to eastern healing traditions, that would be part of a later stage of the problem.

Forrest L.: They’re really viewing this in a more holistic sense that, “What’s the source and the root of these physical problems and how can we address them before they become physical problems?” It’s a fascinating area.

Forrest L.: I felt on the other hand though, that I do believe that our spirits, God, our spirits, our soul, will give us certain experiences that we need to have for the evolution of our consciousness, for the evolution of our character, of our… really to meet our life’s purpose.

Forrest L.: For me, I do strongly… I hold the belief that my own unique physical challenges that occurred back when I was a teen were more related to my spirit saying, “Hey Forrest, it’s time to wake up to certain things,” rather than being a direct result of an energetic imbalance.

Forrest L.: Now, I’m certain that I have experienced physical disorder, I have resulted in an inner imbalance, but I think that particular one when I was young, I think that was meant to be there. I think it was set up. For people listening to this, the one thing that kept me going was the awareness that there was something greater or something beyond the current present circumstance, and even though it wasn’t an intellectual awareness, it was more of an intuitive awareness.

Forrest L.: If people can just… Again, if you’re listening to this and you feel like your unhappy about your life in some way, if you can tap into some awareness that there’s a possibility of transcending whatever area of your life that there’s a possibility there, I think that, that could be a first step for people. Just knowing, or believing, having faith, and feeling into the light that’s both beyond the present circumstance but in some mysterious way also within it.

Ragan Thomson: Mm-hmm (affirmative). Yeah, that’s super. I connect with that very much because I do remember a part of my experience of coming out of my specific illness, there was something that I latched onto. I remember specifically throughout the entirety of that many years of being sick, was that I just felt like there was so much to be hopeful for in my future.

Ragan Thomson: There was this like regardless of what I was dealing with, there was something inside me that could see outside of the illness and say, “No, there’s a lot to be hopeful for. There is a lot to be excited about. I have a lovely family.” I just kept latching on to what was out here just to give me that inspiration to keep going, even when there were days where I didn’t want to keep going, and I think that’s a really profound important piece of this today. Because I think that all humans are consistently seeking hope and meaning in life, right, and more than we know.

Ragan Thomson: I read this book and it’s another wonderful self help book. I’m not going to give the title today. It’s a lovely book. It was all about that. It was all about how humans are consistently trying to seek hope and find a meaning in life through interesting ways. Sometimes… An example was a man had lost his grandfather. He never met him. He lived somewhere clear across the world. Although he didn’t know him, all of a sudden his grandfather, before he passed, was sick and he said, “You know what, I don’t know why I’m doing this. I’m going to travel across the globe and I’m going to start taking care of this grandfather I’ve never even met.”

Ragan Thomson: His dad was a strange from his father and he said, “I’m going to do it.” He ended up spending his next five years taking care of this grandfather he’d never met. It became this powerful experience of trying to figure why he even ended up here, who is this man, and he helped his grandfather very much for those years. It’s just an example. He felt a lot of… he had so much meaning in that experience. Right?

Ragan Thomson: He didn’t even know why he was there or what he was doing there, yet he found so much meaning in this experience and it taught him a lot about himself. I think what I’m hearing you say is for we as humans to… Again, I think with will, finding that will within yourself to say, “You know what, enough is enough. There is so much out there beyond what I’m feeling right now.” Because the ego, let’s just be honest, is extremely self centered. We’re just, “Me, me, me. My, my, my. I, I, I,” right?

Ragan Thomson: It’s like all day long, if you could just, “I want this, I need this, I have this,” right? It’s just constantly saying these messages and, “Acquire more and I need more and I want people to like me,” and we all have an ego till we don’t. Right? I believe that the ego was consistent until we transcend it, is trying to get us to be very self-centered. Right?

Ragan Thomson: I think with enough self-centeredness, as we know, or as we see on the planet, someone eventually can go to sleep. It’s not a light place to be in to not see outside yourself and think globally or think about other people or… Clearly, from your awakening process as you’ve shared, that became so primary for you. You could feel it. You wanted to serve humanity. That is something I love about you, I know that about you and I believe that is a part of the waking process. You become very selfless.

Ragan Thomson: I remember another… something I said once I started to get well, as I just was so excited to live life to the fullest. I was like, “I need to have experiences.” I felt like all of those years were a little bit lost, which is not true, but at the moment that I did, I felt that there was a waste of time.

Ragan Thomson: I was like, “Wow, there was so many years where I was just depressed and supposedly light,” right, out there, “I’m good, I’m fine.” How many of us try to put on a happy face when we’re actually internally struggling? I said, “Enough. No, I can’t even pretend like I’m not struggling now. I am obviously struggling.”

Ragan Thomson: Coming out of that struggle with myself really more than anything, and for you, I understand you’re saying that you were presented perhaps the illness to help you wake up more. That does happen. That absolutely can happen. For me it was it led into the illness. Right? There was a lot of missed markers and I believe there’s a lot of karma I was working through and different facets.

Ragan Thomson: Then there was this getting well period. I just remember I was just like, “Wow, I want to help the world. I want to go do things. I want to be a…” What another cool, wonderful part of waking up unto oneself again? Whatever you are unique to you as a soul, that will come online again. I’m curious if you want to provide to our listeners today, any kind of ideas or possibly strategies or anything that’s helped you or perhaps you’d like to present today to our listeners as ways to help them move into a state of awakening.

Forrest L.: Sure. Well, first, I want to acknowledge something you said earlier about the ego, “Me, me, me.” In Tibetan Buddhism, I’ve done a fair amount of studying of Tibetan Buddhism. One of the core premises in Tibetan Buddhism that I learned is that the cause of suffering is that part of the mind that human beings have to say, “What’s me, me, me, what’s in it for me?” The secret that they teach is to turn that inside out, right? To flip it around and start asking, “Well, what’s in it for them?” Or, “What’s in it for us?” Right?

Forrest L.: I think just the practice of that is very helpful. I spent some time last year in New York City. Having grown up in southern California, I knew my life here well, but sometimes it takes an experience of contrast to appreciate something more or to wake up to the reality of something in our world that you’d never would have before.

Forrest L.: Going there, I saw, of course, there’s magnificence and there’s affluence and then there’s also the people on the subways begging for one penny at a time. When I saw that during my time there, I spent a few months there, I realized, “Wow, people can really use my help. People can use your help, people can use the help of any of us.” The need was more apparent.

Forrest L.: Here in southern California, which is where we live, most people have to look for that kind of suffering. But in places like New York City, it’s common to see it almost everywhere you go. It was very valuable because it was like, “Wow, there are other people who will actually benefit from what I have to give.” I didn’t quite recognize that I have something to give until I went there and saw the need clearly.

Forrest L.: I think that it can be easy to fall into the trap of thinking that, “Hey, what can I give? What do I have? What gifts do I have to share?” I think… The fact is that there’s room for everybody’s gifts to come into service in this world. That’s one way. I think is just service, a commitment to service, and realizing that there is a need that you can fill and help fill in a beautiful way, and in a meaningful way, and in a way that the person on the receiving end will find value in or even a miracle in.

Forrest L.: That’s one way, I think, is to serve. Then of course there’s practices. Self-discipline is one of those core values that’s found across spiritual traditions. Self-discipline, applying it to this practice of being of service, but also practices like meditation and mindfulness and volunteering your time for the homeless shelter, or for a non-profit charity, giving money, being charitable.

Forrest L.: These practices can… Any practice that helps us become more well, that helps us thrive. Whether it’s your diet, your exercise routines, meditation, service to others, getting some sunlight. The more we can thrive, the more we can serve. I think the more capacity we have to serve is the more capacity we have to find a meaningful experience of life. Self care, really self- love, self-care through practices and self-discipline is really important.

Ragan Thomson: In regards to what you said, Forrest, I just really feel this kind of full circle for where we began, which is this idea that the awakening process from what I’m getting from our conversation is so much about finding what it is in this life that brings meaning to your life and lights you up. Right? It feels really good to give. It really does. It also feels really good to receive and it really is meant to be a reciprocal experience.

Ragan Thomson: I do believe though, as we give and as we receive and we continue to do that beautiful dance, that it’s like we’re filling up our tank, is that there’s this internal vessel, right, that we have and it’s like a tank. It just gets more and more full. That being said, it’s almost like, “Oh, I don’t know where to begin. Where do I… What teacher, what structure, what strategy, what holistic program, what meditation should I do?” Just start somewhere. Just start adding in a discipline that works for you. I think that’s something really important for our listeners because I think there is now a lot of options.

Ragan Thomson: I remember back in the day, I wanted to explore getting into a charity and serving. It was one of the best things I’ve ever done. I’m still working with this charity in LA and it’s been so life-changing. All I did was, listen and look and I found it, and here I am 10 years later still working on the board of the charity and volunteering, one of the most amazing things I’ve done in this life.

Ragan Thomson: I completely agree with you. Just my last point here is to our listeners, is just to research. We have an incredible amount of information at our fingertips, and obviously on Google. That’s one way. Then just start something. Start something and try something and watch yourself begin to shine and wake up and feel better and better. It’s quite possible for all of us.

Ragan Thomson: Thank you so much, Forrest.

Forrest L.: Thank you very much.

Ragan Thomson: What a pleasure being with you here today.

Forrest L.: It’s an absolute pleasure to be with you.

Ragan Thomson: Yeah, this was awesome. I really care about you and love you and I’m just so happy that you’re doing the work that you’re doing and look forward to hearing about it more. I would like to offer you an opportunity right now to share anything about what you’re up to, what’s going on in your life, what you want to share with the listeners right now so they know more about what’s happening in the world of Forrest Leichtberg.

Forrest L.: Sure. Well, my main focus… Thank you. My main focus right now is this nonprofit organization that I’m running called The Consciousness Network, which it’s premise is that, for a way more awakened world, the constituency of the world, it has to awaken, the more awake the constituency of the world is, the more healthy the world will be.

Forrest L.: It’s a consciousness network based in Santa Barbara. If you want to learn more about ongoing programming, speakers, like… we did a collaboration with Deva Premal in May, Jack Canfield in July, Katie Hendricks, Gay Hendricks, Dr. Dan Siegel, and a lot of other luminaries and authors and speakers.

Forrest L.: When you go to these events, you not only receive information and inspiration from the speakers, but it’s really about connecting with a community of others who are in their awakening process. These values that you’re learning about are being reinforced by a whole community of hundreds of people. Feel free to learn more at theconsciousnessnetwork.org. You can sign up for mailing lists and get all sorts of updates.

Ragan Thomson: Nice.

Forrest L.: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Ragan Thomson: Yeah. Another wonderful way to wake up, right, joining in community.

Forrest L.: Absolutely.

Ragan Thomson: You feel that support and that synergy and just feel, yeah, just know that you’re not doing it alone.

Forrest L.: Absolutely.

Ragan Thomson: So powerful.

Forrest L.: Absolutely.

Ragan Thomson: Yeah. Thank you.

Forrest L.: Thank you.

Ragan Thomson: Thank you for the work that you’re doing. Wonderful. Thank you.

Forrest L.: Thank you for your work.

Ragan Thomson: Today’s episode is brought to you by The Consciousness Network. The Consciousness Network’s mission is to establish, promote and advance conscious communities. It contributes to local and global wellbeing through its ongoing programs which serve as meeting spaces, training grounds, resource schools, and a support network to help the Santa Barbara and southern California community fulfill its potential and impact the world.

Ragan Thomson: The Consciousness Network strengthens the bonds between all of us, creating relationships through which, true healing, service, and transformation can take place. For more information and to sign up, The Consciousness Network may be contacted at www.consciousnessnetwork.org.

Ragan Thomson: If you enjoyed being with us on this podcast today, I would really love it if you join me on my website is raganthomson.com. On my website you’ll find any upcoming events, if you’d prefer to get into an event, there’s even a place that you can buy your tickets for the events as well as testimonials, you can check out there as well as audio and podcasts. This is all free on my website.

Ragan Thomson: I have been hearing repeatedly from people not only in locally and around the world, that they’re getting a lot of benefit out of hearing the adios, which are offering wonderful healing techniques for you to bring into your life. I hope that you also join me and partake in these free offerings. If you can follow me on social media at Ragan_Thomson, that would be so wonderful.

Ragan Thomson: Thank you so much to all my listeners today. I am truly grateful to have gotten to spend this time with you. It really is such a pleasure and a privilege. It’s an honor to serve in this way. Hopefully this conversation has helped you in ways that are going to be extremely beneficial for you and your life, to help you further in deepening your awakening process. Perhaps it’s the beginning of your awakening process. If that is to be so, I am so excited for you because what’s in store for you is a much more peaceful, joyful, loving, and authentic life.

Ragan Thomson: That’s what’s available for you just as it is for me, as it is for Forrest, this is what’s available for all of us. The more that we do this, the more that we choose to wake up. We’re not only giving this as a gift unto ourselves, our soul, we’re gifting all of humanity. That is what I believe to be true is why we are here. Thank you. Thank you. I am grateful. Have a beautiful rest of your day. Blessings.


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